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Jukebox Questions and Answers (Q & A)
Written by Tom DeCillis from TomsZone.com
If you are just cruising the Web and decided you might be interested
in jukeboxes, these Questions and Answers should be for you. If you
are a knowledgeable collector you may choose to ignore this since you
already know the most of the answers ... or have your own.
These Questions are based on 29 years of owning jukeboxes and reflect
the questions most commonly asked by people when they either visit my
home or discover that a real person actually has a working jukebox in
their home.
Q: Why are they called "Jukeboxes"?
First off, manufacturers did not call them "jukeboxes", they
called them Automatic Coin-Operated Phonographs (or Automatic Phonographs,
or Coin-Operated Phonographs). The term "jukebox" appeared
in the 1930's and originated in the southern United States. Conventional
wisdom (for whatever that is worth) has determined that the origin either
comes from the African word "joot" (meaning to dance), "jute"
(a fibrous product grown in the south) or "jook" which is
a word used by descendants of African slaves and meant "disorderly
or wicked" ... a "jook house" was a term used to describe
out of the way shacks used by southern field workers for dancing, drinking
and also as brothels. So take your pick but the term clearly originated
as a slang term used by southern US field workers for their "entertainment".
Interesting enough, the "jukebox" provided the only outlet
for black recording artists, as mainstream radio was, through the 30's-40's
and part of the 50's, still pretty much a "white" medium.
According to interviews with former Wurlitzer employee's the first reference
to Jukebox came from a Texas distributor around 1937 ... it took "headquarters"
a little time to clarify what it meant. When Farney Wurlitzer discovered
the use of the term, he "banned" its use since he viewed it
is degrading and felt "automatic phonographs" to be "fine
things". Wurlitzer never used the term in advertisement, until
1972 for the Model 1050 "Jukebox", after Faney's death.
Q: What is that "round topped" Jukebox I always see?
The most popular Jukebox of all time, and the one constantly seen on
mugs, t-shirts, logos etc is the Wurlitzer Model 1015, popularly referred
to as the "bubbler". Almost 60,000 of these jukeboxes were
produced, it was a 24 selection machine (twenty four 78 RPM records
playing one side). This jukebox was produced in 1946-47 right after
World War II and capitalized on the public's pent up demand for entertainment.
The long lasting popularity was driven by an advertising campaign by
Wurlitzer which splashed the 1015's image in advertisements in Life,
Look, Saturday Evening Post as well as on thousands of billboards across
the country. This was followed by a "point of sale" program
featuring "Johnny One Note" which featured decals in windows,
posters, coasters, drink swizzle sticks and other items. The campaign
succeeded in making Wurlitzer a household name and enshrined the 1015
into our culture, but was a commercial disaster. Wurlitzer had missed
the basic marketing premise of targeting your advertising to the customer.
The general public did not buy jukeboxes they played them. The 1015
is currently still produced by Wurlitzer GmB as the 1015 "One More
Time" and is available for 45 RPMs or CD's. Both Rock-Ola and Seeburg
produced lookalikes in the 1980's.
Q: Why own a Jukebox ... I have a Stereo System?
Personally, I would rather you don't want a Jukebox since it drives
up the prices and diminishes the uniqueness of ME having a jukebox.
But to answer the question I will pose some questions:
When was the last time friends and family visited just to hear and "play
with" your Stereo?
How often to do people spontaneously Dance to your music?
When was the last time your mind really flashed back to pleasant memories
when listing to a CD?
Have you even sold your stereo for more than what you paid for it or
more?
If the answers to all these questions is never then you know a few of
the reasons. The real answer to this question really rests in how you
view music. Is it just pleasant sound or a entertainment medium? A good
stereo reproduces music, but you have to provide the entertainment.
A Jukebox on the other hand has the ability to entertain through sight,
sound and feel.
Q: Can I buy a Jukebox?
Yes, Jukeboxes for sale can be found in many places including your local
classified ads, calling local "Operators" (Usually found under
Vending in the Classifieds), searching garage sales, visiting antique
shows or buying from a collector or dealer and on the Internet. Dealer
and collector advertisements can be found in various Jukebox Publications.
One Warning, antique dealers who just happen to have a Jukebox tend
to overprice them and know little about what they are selling, thinking
it is more valuable than they really are.
Q: Are Jukeboxes Hard to Find or Rare?
Yes and No, depending on what Jukebox you want. In general right now
there are more jukeboxes available than people looking for them. This
is because most people don't even consider that they could own one.
If everybody with a Recreation Room decided to look for one they would
be rare, but for now they are not. This being said, there are many specific
Jukebox models that are in high demand by those wanting a classic machine.
If you just want any Jukebox, the supply still far outweighs the demand.
Q: How Many Jukeboxes Were Made?
No one is really sure, as virtually all of the major manufacturers were
privately held companies or kept that information closely held. A guesstimate
for the Big Four is about 2 Million. As most of the production occurred
between 1930's and 1960's and most of the manufacturers are out of business,
the task of estimating production has to be done by comparing serial
numbers on existing machines. Good estimate for each model are contained
in the "Jukebox Production" part of this site. This website
is dedicated to furthering that task.
Q: How Much Does a Jukebox Cost?
This is like asking how much a car costs ... it all depends on the condition,
model, rarity and age and an agreeable seller and buyer. They can be
as inexpensive as $100 to over $30,000. But being reasonable:
At the High End: A 1940's "Classic" Wurlitzer fully restored
78 RPM will run between $5000 - $10,000 (Excluding the rare Model 950
at $30,000)
At the Middle Range: The popular Seeburgs (45 RPM) with chrome and looks
of 50's automobiles, restored will run between $2000-$5000
At the Bottom End: A solid working machine can range from $100 to $2000
and vary from the 1970's 200 Selection Solid State "box" for
$100-$500 to a 1950's plain looking (but visible record mechanism) 80
Selection Machine for $600-$900 to nice looking chrome and glass machines
of the 1960's with visible mechanisms for $900-$2000. MOST Jukeboxes
will be priced in this range
Believe it or Not, you can actually get a 1930's to 40's Machine (78
RPM) fully Working for $1000-$2000 ... these include AMI's, Seeburg's
and some Rock-Olas. For now, collectors aren't driving the price up,
as they are focused on Wurlitzer's, but many of these have good "eye
appeal" and most have good to great sound. Shop
for a brand new jukebox that looks just like the old ones but can play
your CD's.
Condition plays a major factor in price/value: Jukeboxes are commonly
graded in to 1, 2, 3, and Partsbox and similar to most hobbies, collectors
often over-grade their item.
Grade 1 is "new" or looking new. It is only found in rarely
as NOS (new old stock) or when a professional has restored the jukebox
mechanically, electrically and cosmetically inside and out. It is unlikely
an amature can do a Grade 1 restoration. Some parts may be reproduction,
which unlike other fields of antiques is acceptable. This is the highest
value/priced machine (100%)
Grade 2 is similar to grade 1, excellent original condition or restored,
but may have small mars, imperfections to finish, of course works regularly
and reliably, and may have been finished in a non-original style but
professionally done. These are generally priced/valued at 50%-65% of
Grade 1's, more often 50%.
Grade 3, covers a wide range of machines. All major parts are there
and work either totally or to some degree, mechanism may need cleaning,
amps rebuilding, cabinet is solid but needs cosmetic improvement. These
are generally priced at 20%-35% of Grade 1's, more often 25%.
Partsbox: A jukebox, where parts are missing, probably has major cabinet
problems, etc, where the cost of restoration and new repairs would outweigh
alternatives, Generally valued at 5-15% of Grade 1's, but highly dependant
on the condition, extent of useable parts and underlying collectiblity
of the machine.
Age and Style
The age and style of a jukebox box play a part in jukebox pricing, but
style has a much more dominate role. The primary factors of style include:
Visible vs hidden mechanim ... visible mechanism being highly valued
Shape of cabinet/dome (rectangular, angled, curved/ornate, ) ... curved/ornate
valued, rectangular least valued
Cabinet finish (e.g. fine woods, woods/lighted plastics, chrome &
glass and plain laminates) Fine woods with lighted plastics and chrome
& plastics both are highly collectible, plain laminates least valued.
Q: I have a jukebox, how much is it worth, where should I sell it?
Assuming the jukebox is in good shape physically and plays or plays
intermittantly, it will roughly be valued as follows:
Late 1960'- Early 1980's, Rectangular Laminated Box, Non Visible Record
Mechanism ... $300-500 Dollars.
Early 60's, Stylized Chrome and Glass, Visible Mechanism, $500 to 1200
Dollars
1950's Stylized Chrome & Glass, Visible Mechanism, $700 - $2000
1930's-40's Machine ... Too wide of a style/price Range.
Your best bet for selling it is probably through local classifieds.
You may get more than the price ranges listed nor are they all inclusive
... they are just given as indicators. Each machine becomes unique when
it is time to sell or buy. Due to their size/weight, most folks try
buying the jukebox locally. Unless your particular machine is rare,
you probably can't spread your selling market very wide to justify the
additional costs that will be incurred by either the buyer or seller
to move the machine great distances. The bottom line on pricing will
be local supply and demand. You need to find a local buyer or seller.
Due to the relatively low amount of jukeboxes sold, setting firm prices
is very difficult. So advice to both the SELLER and the BUYER is do
not be offended by each others positions ... no one is trying to cheat
the other.
Q: What if the Jukebox is not working or breaks, can I get it fixed?
If you are reasonably handy you can fix your Jukebox yourself. First
off, Jukeboxes were designed for abuse. Expecting constant repair and
adjustment by the local operators, repair manuals exist and are readily
available.
Most early jukeboxes (1930's-50's) are nothing but a cabinet, gears,
motors, wire and tubes. There is nothing that really can go wrong except
the machine gets knocked about and something is out of alignment or
loose. The repair maintenance manuals have trouble shooting checklists
and plenty of photos showing how the parts are supposed to be positioned.
Later machines (late 60's to today) used some solid state components,
and repairs are more difficult, you will either have to find the replacement
part and know what you are doing or locate a good technician which can
be found in many jukebox collector publications.
Earlier Machines (1930-1960's)which relied on tube based amplifiers,
normal motors and a mechanical record selection/playing system are actually
easier for an owner to repair, and be more cost effective over time.
These machines are not all expensive, many being available for $500-$1000.
If you need to find a local repair person, try the local yellow pages
under either jukeboxes, amusements, etc ... to my knowledge there is
no central listing of repair folks so your best bet is to find somebody
working for a local amusement merchant.
Q: Can I find Replacement Parts
Yes, Jukebox parts for virtually all models can be found in Jukebox
Publications. These parts will include not only the mechanical parts
but tubes, capacitors, belts, cartridges/needles and pieces of the exterior/exterior
cabinet and trim. Also many of the more popular jukeboxes have a full
range of reproduction parts available for the cabinet. You can find
a listing of dealers in repro and old parts on the Internet Links part
of this site.
Q: Where do they get these parts?
Many jukeboxes exist in homes, warehouses, etc. that are no longer working
so these Jukeboxes are relegated as parts machines. Even though they
are repairable, the labor involved does not justify the current selling
price for restored or operating machines. So the machines are "parted
out". The machine you buy in the classifieds that is "not
working" would be considered a parts machine by a dealer unless
it was very rare. You on the other hand can often justify restoring
it if you provide the labor.
Q: Can I get one of those miniature Jukeboxes like there used to
be in Diners?
Yes but they are NOT jukeboxes. You can buy those "Miniature Jukeboxes"
you remember from diner counters or booths for about $100-$300, they
are called "Wallboxes" or "Remote Selectors". They
are nothing more than a remote set of selection buttons and a coin mechanism
that was connected to the Jukebox. They were advertised to provide a
convenience to customers, which they did, but their primary purpose
was provide extra income, by having several patrons pay for the same
song. This worked since at any given time, many people were making selections,
usually favoring top hits, as the jukebox would could only record a
single selection for a given song, it only played once, but each patron
figured it was his or her selection. Take
a look at our Crosley Diner Mini Jukebox.
Q: What type of records do Jukeboxes take?
Most Jukeboxes either take 78 RPM (10"), 45 RPM (7")Records
or Compact Discs. Many 45 RPM Machines also took 33 RPM (7") "Little
LP's" but these records were manufactured just for Jukebox operators
and are very difficult to find. Don't* expect to find a jukebox that
plays the 12" 33 LP's.
78 RPMS are those "big" (10") discs that your parents
or grandparents had and also played on Victrolas and broke easily. All
jukeboxes from the first jukebox in 1927 until 1949 played 78's. Between
1950 and 1954, many jukeboxes were available as either 78 RPM or the
new 45 RPM
45 RPMS, the 7" singles with the big hole in the middle, were introduced
around 1950, and most jukeboxes used them starting intermittently in
1950. By 1954 all jukeboxes used 45's and their use continued into the
1980's, though by the 80's, they were no longer being released to the
public
Compact Discs, which have now long since replaced most forms of records,
were introduced around 1985, and Jukeboxes using them started to be
manufactured in 1987. Most of todays' Jukeboxes use CD's, but these
machines are expensive, lack any collectible appeal and miss many of
the attributes a nice jukebox offers ... sight, sound (its too pure)
and feel.
33 RPM "Little LP's" were designed for the Jukebox industry
and were the same size as 45 RPM. Many machines from the 1960's until
the 80's took either 45 RPM's or 33 Little LP's. Each little LP usually
had 3-4 songs per side.
33 RPM 12" No Commercial coin operated jukebox was ever designed
to handle these. The reason are mainly commercial, why let somebody
get 30 minutes of music for one price, and why subject patrons to that
same music? But, Seeburg did produce a full line of "home music
systems" in 33 RPM. These machines generally handled 50 LP's and
are much like old record players, having cables to the amplifier and
a selection system that was based on a "side" of an LP. These
are generally readily available within the collecting hobby and are
relatively inexpensive ($300-$500) and many come in fine hardwood cabinets.
Q: Can I buy records I want for my Jukebox?
Yes, If you don't already own records, you can buy sets of 25 records
with 50 popular Hits in either 45 RPM or 78 RPM. These have the advantage
of being new, have two hits per record (vs one on original disks) and
come complete with pre-printed Jukebox record labels. The cost is about
$1.50 per song for 45's and $2.50 for 78's. Virtually all jukebox publications
advertise these for sale, as well as being available from various sites
on the Internet. The links section of this site list a few places that
sell these record sets online.
Q: I want a Jukebox, what should I do next?
Subscribe to a Jukebox Publication to learn more and get a feel for
prices and the collecting hobby. The expense is minimal, about $30 for
annual monthly subscription. It will also provide access to guide books
and other reference materials such as manuals. Also cruise the Internet
for Jukebox Sites to get a feel for the prices, availability and the
general "feel" of the hobby. I think you will find that the
hobby, and even those that make a living from it are not "commercially"
driven. They do it because they like it. Shop
online for a new jukebox!
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